When will the Jews learn and elect a government that will liquidate the Palestinian question once and for all? Zionism was not supposed to create a country where Jews could be killed daily by Muslims called Palestinians.
That would be nice. But would it be possible even with Israel doing it? The West obviously wouldn't help, on the contrary, not even America. Plus all the Muslim countries would attack Israel and I simply don't know if Israel had the capacity to win against Iranian bombing helped by Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and "Palestinians" and whoever else would help them in various ways.
No Arab state would go to war against Israel on behalf of the Palestinians. Iran is totally weakened and any attack on Israel would be a pretext for finishing hat country off. Lebanon is well on its way to becoming part of Israel and the Palestinians would be blown out of the water, so to speak, if the tanks rolled in without food aid accompanying them. On top of which Israel has nuclear weapons.
If you are right in all of this, may be. I still don't see what would happen to the 5 million "Palestinians" who the Arab countries wouldn't take in and Israel would not kill. Maybe the 21 other Arab countries could be forced to take them in. That would be _the_ solution. However, I don't know if Israel could survive that victory totally isolated and with all the Jews in the world targeted for pogroms forever.
There are not five million Palestinians in Gaza, Judea and Samaria. Not even close. Nor is it your problem or Israel's problem where they would go. The world is a big place. And the world would respect Israel because they could no longer badger them about the Palestinians. Europe might scream, and the Anglosphere would squawk, but even they, along with other countries, would do business with Israel, as they do now. Not to mention India, China, Argentina, on and on....
"Not even close." How many are there then? All the sources say 3-3,6 million in WB and 2+ million in Gaza. Not that it is the real question, because, let's say, 2-2,5 million make the same problem.
"Nor is it (...) Israel's problem where they would go." Unfortunately I think it is. Even if at some point whatever countries let them in, it would be an extremely strenuous process accompanied by extreme hysteria in the world and all those taking them going for the minute when they can chicken out. Which they could obviously do at many stages.
However, I agree, if at some point it could be finished, some countries at least would do business with Israel and they could no longer badger us about the Palestinians, as you say. But I fear this is very much just wishful thinking because Israel will not elect a government that would do this and because the world is already in the rabbit hole of islamization with all its consequences in the middle range.
I don't live in Israel so it is hard for me to criticize. But, being Jewish, I highly value the State of Israel and every Jew that lives there and protects me here in Canada.I wish that the Arabs that live in Israel would be more vocal in support of Israel. That would help our situation immensely. Regarding peace/ceasefire, for sure Iran, and the Brotherhood don't want peace with Israel. They just want to figure out how to destroy Israel and the longer they can have a ceasefire, the better they can garner support in the West and prepare militarily with China and N. Korea and Russia's help to better arm themselves. A ceasefire does nothing good for Israel. Peace and economic relations with Israel's neighbours is the only way for the whole region to move forward. Israel has a scant two years left to take advantage of Trump's support to get peace deals. After that...........
I am technologically challenged. I am in my late 70's .You and your F...........substacks dive me crazy . i want to comment but your technological methods prevent me from it So if no , then no .I have much to say but if you spit me out with your technological security methods - so be it! GDITFH there I just created a new acronym or soI think I'ii try to continue. Your message about Roi Rotenberg is spot on .It's amazing that after Moshe Dayan's warning in 1956 and all the years since then the Israelis haven't learnt a thing. How come all these "experts',who grew up with Arabs, so I believe never caught on .How come none of our leaders caughton.What was Oslo, what was Ehud Barak'sproposal to Arafat, same for Ehud Olmert's offer in 2008????? What if Hamas at any time would have taken over the West Bank ? Anf what the F was Netanyahu , the "Defender" of Israel as per his 2022 interview with CNN ,doing by building up Hamas . How stupid could all have them been/ here is my answer - VERY STUPID
The only benefit I see to ceasefires is, although it allows enemies to regroup, it also allow Israel to catch a breath and for the time being suffer few casualties than during active war. Also gives Israel time to regroup, repair wounds, resupply, and prepare for the next battle. These next battles sadly seem to be a way of life.
Uri, despite your genocidal proclivities (which obviously disgust and shame you), you're ultimately correct to note that Israel is on a suicide path that you narrowly project onto some external "enemy." The only path forward that involves courage, honor, and decency is to undertake the dangerous and difficult work of ensuring that all of Israel is safe and welcoming to all Palestinians. That's the only honorable, decent, and courageous way of working to ensure that all of Palestine is welcoming and safe for all Israelis.
By now everyone should realize that Israel cannot kill (irrelevant to the charge of genocide) or displaced all the Palestinians. Neither can Israel force Palestinians to live like dogs. That's not gonna happen given 21st century communication and publishing techniques. That's not gonna happen given 21st century technologies of asymmetrical warfare either. Torture and terror will only backfire against Israeli society and its military in dozens of horrible ways.
Be strong. Be courageous. Be honorable. Be decent. Defend yourself without shaming your name down through the next three generations! And if you don't feel strong enough, courageous enough, or honorable enough, you can console yourself with the truth that you have no other choice but to recognize your shared (and, therefore, not always inspiring) humanity with the Palestinians.
Not so much dumb, Uri, as stupid. Stupid like you.
That’s because stupidity is generally the emotionally driven misuse of intelligence. I didn’t mean to disrespect you by misspelling your name, nor is disrespect or mockery, the main motivation for acknowledging our stupidity.
I won’t belabor the thinking behind the above point. But I will remind you again that the practicalities (including military ones) are what will force Israel to become safe and welcoming to Palestinians. Other, more important forces, are in play too. But to get back to hard practicalities, making Israel safe for Palestinians is the only way Palestine can be welcoming and safe for Israelis.
I’ll also add that “stupid” can be not just entertaining for those who observe it, but a lot of fun for those who employ it. In the U.S. I love (too much, I suppose) getting into “stupid contests” and disputes with “NOT SEE” trumpers because (as I sometimes warn them) I can generally “outstupid” them. But that points to my “privilege” in living where I do. Yes, I know that one of those I send away sputtering could turn around and shoot me. But the chances of that happening here in New England are nowhere near those of other places. (They actually complain to the police about me sometimes! And the cops, so far, have all been great about it.) But the fraughtness of the Palestine/Israel situation and the Eastern European antecedents of so many Israelis which, of course, includes the Holocaust, puts the stupid in a different context.
Why cant Israel move all the Palestinians out of West Bank and Gaza. Other countries have done that with populations that they didn't want-including all their Arab neighbours that expelled all their Jews. Israel must maintain its Jewish status and if it also wants to continue to be a democracy, then that is the only solution.
I wonder if Hitler would be pleased or frustrated with your attitude. Probably pleased. His hatred of Jews was based on the idea that they inspired Christianity, Science, Communism, capitalism, democracy and the rule of law— all as.ruse in their struggle for mastery and power. Interesting final words too… “only solution”? or “final solution”…
But unlike the Native Americans or the Armenians, the Palestinians are not alone. Palestinians are Arabs surrounded by other Arab nations who do not look kindly on their brethren being displaced or murdered. Worse for Israeli genocidal ethnic cleansing aspirations, the Arab world is part of a broader Islamic world which spans vast populations in Africa and Asia. Beyond that the plight of the Palestinian people resonates with all kinds of indigenous victims of European colonialisms which is partly why South Africa initiated the genocide proceedings in the International Criminal Court of Justice and why Ireland is so supportive of it.
Your question reminds me a little bit of how some people who try to deflect the genocide accusation by saying that if Israel really wanted to, it could wipe out the Palestinian with nuclear weapons, not thinking that killing millions of Palestinians in this way would also kill millions of Israelis with the fallout.
No, fortunately or unfortunately for Nazi minds, Israel must be safe and welcoming for Palestinians so that Palestine can be welcoming and safe for Israelis.
First of all, there are millions of muslims of Palestinian heritage living in Israel proper very happily. They are doctors, lawyers and every other profession. The issue is that they are afraid to say that they are happy living in Israel because they know they would be targeted by the terrorists. That is the reality of the situation. Israel has repeatedly offered peace to the Palestinians. It has always been refused, because the terrorists (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Muslim Brotherhood) are not interested in peace with an Israeli state. They don't want the Jews to be there. Ask any Palestinian livin gin Israel if they would like to be living in one of the neighbouring Arab states. The answer has been repeatedly been "NO"
First of all, your example proves that Palestinians are interested in peace and that Israelis can live in security with Palestinians. It is Israel that has stacked or sabotaged negotiations. It is Israel that derailed the Oslo Peace process. It was Israel that tried to assassinate the entire Hamas negotiation team. It is Israel that must renounce its murderous and genocidal programs of ethnic cleansing.
Israel can and must make itself safe and welcoming to Palestinians. The world and Palestinians must make Israel welcoming and safe for Israelis.
There is no possibility of peace with Hamas. They have said it themselves. They don't want peace. They killed more than 1,000 Israelis and foreigners on Oct 7th. Many of those that were killed were the exact people that were trying to help the Gaza people. Israel is safe and welcoming to more than 2 million Palestinians that are peacefully living in Israel. They will not bend to the Hamas terrorists that hold their own population hostage as human shields. Maybe you know the answer to this question. Hamas built enough tunnels to safely house all 2 million of the Gaza population. However any that tried to enter the tunnels were killed. Why?
What we plan in the US: First, use Israel to destroy our enemies in the Middle East because that will hurt China and Russia. Second, destroy China and Russia. Third, turn Israel into a kitschy Disney Land.
We won’t tolerate Israel screwing up our plans because they hate people too much to stop killing them.
When will the Jews learn and elect a government that will liquidate the Palestinian question once and for all? Zionism was not supposed to create a country where Jews could be killed daily by Muslims called Palestinians.
That would be nice. But would it be possible even with Israel doing it? The West obviously wouldn't help, on the contrary, not even America. Plus all the Muslim countries would attack Israel and I simply don't know if Israel had the capacity to win against Iranian bombing helped by Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and "Palestinians" and whoever else would help them in various ways.
No Arab state would go to war against Israel on behalf of the Palestinians. Iran is totally weakened and any attack on Israel would be a pretext for finishing hat country off. Lebanon is well on its way to becoming part of Israel and the Palestinians would be blown out of the water, so to speak, if the tanks rolled in without food aid accompanying them. On top of which Israel has nuclear weapons.
If you are right in all of this, may be. I still don't see what would happen to the 5 million "Palestinians" who the Arab countries wouldn't take in and Israel would not kill. Maybe the 21 other Arab countries could be forced to take them in. That would be _the_ solution. However, I don't know if Israel could survive that victory totally isolated and with all the Jews in the world targeted for pogroms forever.
There are not five million Palestinians in Gaza, Judea and Samaria. Not even close. Nor is it your problem or Israel's problem where they would go. The world is a big place. And the world would respect Israel because they could no longer badger them about the Palestinians. Europe might scream, and the Anglosphere would squawk, but even they, along with other countries, would do business with Israel, as they do now. Not to mention India, China, Argentina, on and on....
"Not even close." How many are there then? All the sources say 3-3,6 million in WB and 2+ million in Gaza. Not that it is the real question, because, let's say, 2-2,5 million make the same problem.
"Nor is it (...) Israel's problem where they would go." Unfortunately I think it is. Even if at some point whatever countries let them in, it would be an extremely strenuous process accompanied by extreme hysteria in the world and all those taking them going for the minute when they can chicken out. Which they could obviously do at many stages.
However, I agree, if at some point it could be finished, some countries at least would do business with Israel and they could no longer badger us about the Palestinians, as you say. But I fear this is very much just wishful thinking because Israel will not elect a government that would do this and because the world is already in the rabbit hole of islamization with all its consequences in the middle range.
A very blunt but truthful article.
I don't live in Israel so it is hard for me to criticize. But, being Jewish, I highly value the State of Israel and every Jew that lives there and protects me here in Canada.I wish that the Arabs that live in Israel would be more vocal in support of Israel. That would help our situation immensely. Regarding peace/ceasefire, for sure Iran, and the Brotherhood don't want peace with Israel. They just want to figure out how to destroy Israel and the longer they can have a ceasefire, the better they can garner support in the West and prepare militarily with China and N. Korea and Russia's help to better arm themselves. A ceasefire does nothing good for Israel. Peace and economic relations with Israel's neighbours is the only way for the whole region to move forward. Israel has a scant two years left to take advantage of Trump's support to get peace deals. After that...........
Spot on. The peace our enemies seek is the peace of the graveyard and ourselves in pieces as a peace process.
I am technologically challenged. I am in my late 70's .You and your F...........substacks dive me crazy . i want to comment but your technological methods prevent me from it So if no , then no .I have much to say but if you spit me out with your technological security methods - so be it! GDITFH there I just created a new acronym or soI think I'ii try to continue. Your message about Roi Rotenberg is spot on .It's amazing that after Moshe Dayan's warning in 1956 and all the years since then the Israelis haven't learnt a thing. How come all these "experts',who grew up with Arabs, so I believe never caught on .How come none of our leaders caughton.What was Oslo, what was Ehud Barak'sproposal to Arafat, same for Ehud Olmert's offer in 2008????? What if Hamas at any time would have taken over the West Bank ? Anf what the F was Netanyahu , the "Defender" of Israel as per his 2022 interview with CNN ,doing by building up Hamas . How stupid could all have them been/ here is my answer - VERY STUPID
Thank you for the comment, despite Substack's terrible interface :)
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The only benefit I see to ceasefires is, although it allows enemies to regroup, it also allow Israel to catch a breath and for the time being suffer few casualties than during active war. Also gives Israel time to regroup, repair wounds, resupply, and prepare for the next battle. These next battles sadly seem to be a way of life.
Does it though? Hundreds of thousands are still mobilized and serve as target practice for the enemy.
Then there is no ceasefire, and you target the enemy and strike. A genuine ceasefire is what it says, no firing, no targeting.
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Uri, despite your genocidal proclivities (which obviously disgust and shame you), you're ultimately correct to note that Israel is on a suicide path that you narrowly project onto some external "enemy." The only path forward that involves courage, honor, and decency is to undertake the dangerous and difficult work of ensuring that all of Israel is safe and welcoming to all Palestinians. That's the only honorable, decent, and courageous way of working to ensure that all of Palestine is welcoming and safe for all Israelis.
By now everyone should realize that Israel cannot kill (irrelevant to the charge of genocide) or displaced all the Palestinians. Neither can Israel force Palestinians to live like dogs. That's not gonna happen given 21st century communication and publishing techniques. That's not gonna happen given 21st century technologies of asymmetrical warfare either. Torture and terror will only backfire against Israeli society and its military in dozens of horrible ways.
Be strong. Be courageous. Be honorable. Be decent. Defend yourself without shaming your name down through the next three generations! And if you don't feel strong enough, courageous enough, or honorable enough, you can console yourself with the truth that you have no other choice but to recognize your shared (and, therefore, not always inspiring) humanity with the Palestinians.
How dumb do you have to be to misspell a three-letter name, Joey?
Not so much dumb, Uri, as stupid. Stupid like you.
That’s because stupidity is generally the emotionally driven misuse of intelligence. I didn’t mean to disrespect you by misspelling your name, nor is disrespect or mockery, the main motivation for acknowledging our stupidity.
I won’t belabor the thinking behind the above point. But I will remind you again that the practicalities (including military ones) are what will force Israel to become safe and welcoming to Palestinians. Other, more important forces, are in play too. But to get back to hard practicalities, making Israel safe for Palestinians is the only way Palestine can be welcoming and safe for Israelis.
I’ll also add that “stupid” can be not just entertaining for those who observe it, but a lot of fun for those who employ it. In the U.S. I love (too much, I suppose) getting into “stupid contests” and disputes with “NOT SEE” trumpers because (as I sometimes warn them) I can generally “outstupid” them. But that points to my “privilege” in living where I do. Yes, I know that one of those I send away sputtering could turn around and shoot me. But the chances of that happening here in New England are nowhere near those of other places. (They actually complain to the police about me sometimes! And the cops, so far, have all been great about it.) But the fraughtness of the Palestine/Israel situation and the Eastern European antecedents of so many Israelis which, of course, includes the Holocaust, puts the stupid in a different context.
Why cant Israel move all the Palestinians out of West Bank and Gaza. Other countries have done that with populations that they didn't want-including all their Arab neighbours that expelled all their Jews. Israel must maintain its Jewish status and if it also wants to continue to be a democracy, then that is the only solution.
I wonder if Hitler would be pleased or frustrated with your attitude. Probably pleased. His hatred of Jews was based on the idea that they inspired Christianity, Science, Communism, capitalism, democracy and the rule of law— all as.ruse in their struggle for mastery and power. Interesting final words too… “only solution”? or “final solution”…
But unlike the Native Americans or the Armenians, the Palestinians are not alone. Palestinians are Arabs surrounded by other Arab nations who do not look kindly on their brethren being displaced or murdered. Worse for Israeli genocidal ethnic cleansing aspirations, the Arab world is part of a broader Islamic world which spans vast populations in Africa and Asia. Beyond that the plight of the Palestinian people resonates with all kinds of indigenous victims of European colonialisms which is partly why South Africa initiated the genocide proceedings in the International Criminal Court of Justice and why Ireland is so supportive of it.
Your question reminds me a little bit of how some people who try to deflect the genocide accusation by saying that if Israel really wanted to, it could wipe out the Palestinian with nuclear weapons, not thinking that killing millions of Palestinians in this way would also kill millions of Israelis with the fallout.
No, fortunately or unfortunately for Nazi minds, Israel must be safe and welcoming for Palestinians so that Palestine can be welcoming and safe for Israelis.
First of all, there are millions of muslims of Palestinian heritage living in Israel proper very happily. They are doctors, lawyers and every other profession. The issue is that they are afraid to say that they are happy living in Israel because they know they would be targeted by the terrorists. That is the reality of the situation. Israel has repeatedly offered peace to the Palestinians. It has always been refused, because the terrorists (Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Muslim Brotherhood) are not interested in peace with an Israeli state. They don't want the Jews to be there. Ask any Palestinian livin gin Israel if they would like to be living in one of the neighbouring Arab states. The answer has been repeatedly been "NO"
First of all, your example proves that Palestinians are interested in peace and that Israelis can live in security with Palestinians. It is Israel that has stacked or sabotaged negotiations. It is Israel that derailed the Oslo Peace process. It was Israel that tried to assassinate the entire Hamas negotiation team. It is Israel that must renounce its murderous and genocidal programs of ethnic cleansing.
Israel can and must make itself safe and welcoming to Palestinians. The world and Palestinians must make Israel welcoming and safe for Israelis.
There is no possibility of peace with Hamas. They have said it themselves. They don't want peace. They killed more than 1,000 Israelis and foreigners on Oct 7th. Many of those that were killed were the exact people that were trying to help the Gaza people. Israel is safe and welcoming to more than 2 million Palestinians that are peacefully living in Israel. They will not bend to the Hamas terrorists that hold their own population hostage as human shields. Maybe you know the answer to this question. Hamas built enough tunnels to safely house all 2 million of the Gaza population. However any that tried to enter the tunnels were killed. Why?
What we plan in the US: First, use Israel to destroy our enemies in the Middle East because that will hurt China and Russia. Second, destroy China and Russia. Third, turn Israel into a kitschy Disney Land.
We won’t tolerate Israel screwing up our plans because they hate people too much to stop killing them.