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True Settler's avatar

The Jews in Israel didn't wake up to the enemy when it was the Hatuels being murdered in 2004, or the Fogels in 2011. Even now they haven't fully woken up. Thank you for trying to awaken them.

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Shelah Horvitz's avatar

Don't trust Trump. He blows with the wind and he has a long history of throwing his allies and enablers under the bus. Offer him more money and power and he will betray anyone. His way of ending wars is to cave to the enemy.

That said, the Democrats have been rife with Jew-hating jihadist advisors and they are not to be trusted either. Biden had Netanyahu on a very short leash because his whole idea was that wars are always supposed to end with a draw. No one — particularly the Jews — is ever supposed to win. So the soldiers die for nothing. Americans don't win wars. Americans get into wars to keep their defense contractors humming.

America is an unreliable ally.

Israel needs to be as self-sufficient as possible.

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Uri Kurlianchik's avatar

I agree. This is all the more reason not to waste time.

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AC's avatar

The war must end with every Palestinian knowing in the depths of their being that they will never, ever win, that they will never drive the Jews from Israel.

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Dan Nelson's avatar

Fortunately 68% of the Jews in Israel disagree with this Netanyahu nonsense. And in the latest US polling about our perpetual charitable ward, the percentage of Americans disapproving of Israel has risen from 42% to 53%.

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True Settler's avatar

It does not take a majority to prevail, but an irate tireless minority- Sam Adams

-True Settler.

Think about that. The majority doesn't control things.

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Dan Nelson's avatar

It worked well in South Africa.

A majority only controls things if you want a democracy and don’t want to live in a nation that is known primarily for dispossessing its indigenous majority.

As we’ve long known, Israel can be more or less a democracy within its established borders or it can pursue a genocidal (reference Elise Stefanik) “from the river to the sea” outcome that oppresses the majority (but only for awhile).

How do you spell “infeasible”?

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Tanto Minchiata's avatar

Trite tautology. Same dumb comments repeated endlessly. You got your comments printed, congratulations.

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Dan Nelson's avatar

Why, thank you! Nothing stakes out the moral high ground more than enthusiastic advocacy of the perpetual subjugation of a majority group by a minority, as financed by the charity of American taxpayers.

I know I can never match the broad diversity of views indicated by your comments. Very popular in an echo chamber sort of way. But I understand the strict demands for conformity. Absolutely no tautology there….

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Chrissy Knott's avatar

There are no established borders within Israel. She needs to control Gaza and Judea and Samaria in order to stop the terrorism from within and if that involves “ethnic cleansing”, so be it.

It won’t happen though because millions of Arabs will choose to live in Israel, in a democracy, rather than in the corrupt theocracy of other Arab Muslim states.

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Dan Nelson's avatar

Every country has established borders. Israel’s are well understood and they don’t incorporate East Jerusalem, the West Bank or Gaza.

Don’t get me wrong though. I wholeheartedly will welcome the one state solution where the state inevitably matures from its current violent immaturity to being a bi-national nation of all its people, similar to the U.S. with equal rights for all in a one person, one vote democracy. There will initially be about the same numbers of each tribe in that country but we all have long recognized where demographics will take Palesrael in terms of the ethnic or tribal majority.

https://www.newsweek.com/death-two-state-solution-israel-palestine-2054974

This isn’t your or my call of course since we are Americans and our birthright country is the U.S., not Israel. This is the outcome that right wing nuts controlling the political momentum in Israel desire. They’re asking for it and they’re going to get it.

So longer term it’s clearly something to celebrate as those from both tribes enjoy equal rights, including the right of return.

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Chrissy Knott's avatar

I’m not American, I’m English and you have completely ignored the Quranic command by Allah to kill all those who refuse to recognize Mohammed as his prophet. That includes all Jews and Bible believing Christians who do not accept him. It is religiously impossible for Islam to live alongside a Jewish state.

The war isn’t about land. Its not about politics although those things are involved. It’s about having a Jewish state on what was once Islamic territory. It’s a crime against Allah, against the caliphate. Why, oh why is that so difficult for people to understand? Islam teaches that Jews are animals. That they are evil. That they have rejected Allah and his prophet. That they do not have the right to exist. Read the Quran, the Hadiths. The history of Islam.

Now, I get that there are many nominal Muslims in this world who do not accept this teaching, but there is a big enough minority who do, so you get states like Afghanistan, Sudan, Pakistani, Iran, Turkey all who wish Israel and Judaism gone from the ME.

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Dan Nelson's avatar

It won’t happen because Palestine is their homeland and has been for 100+ uninterrupted generations. Thankfully no more than 1 percent of the world’s population will tolerate ethnic cleansing. As Elise Stefanik has so clearly informed us any from the river to the sea o outcome is purely genocidal and antisemitic.

You should be sure to learn how to spell Pariah. Because that’s what the Jewish state will be if it follows your prescription.

I’m personally confident that the two tribes of Palestine can do as well as the Hutus and Tutsis have done in Rwanda, after a similar abysmal tribal workfare nightmare.

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Chrissy Knott's avatar

Hopefully next year, and yes, we hope to go to the towns and villages Israel has built in Judea and Samaria

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Dan Nelson's avatar

Then I’m sorry to tell you that you’ll be just another land thief and squatter. You can entertain yourself by terrorizing the indigenous people since you’ll instantly have 25 times the rights that they do as a British colonizer. And you won’t see a problem with any of that.

Enjoy hanging out with Ben-Gvir, Smotrich and the other disciples of the terrorist Kahane who worship the memory of the mass murderer Baruch Goldstein. Maybe you can even chat with the disgraceful racist Daniela Weiss…..

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Dan Nelson's avatar

So when do you shove off from Europe and go to Israel? Please don’t go to the settlements and steal land from the indigenous people. It makes for very embarrassing videos but it also makes for Academy Award winning films (“No Other Land”).

Israel is specializing in creating more and more people to hate it for what it has done to them in their homeland.

Gaza - 52,000 dead indigenous Arabs

Dachau - 40,000 dead Jews and others

10/7 - 1200 dead Jews and others

Deir Yassin - 140 dead indigenous Arabs

I recall when “Never Again” had some real meaning. It’s just a trite phrase now.

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Chrissy Knott's avatar

Ummm indigenous Arabs? In Gaza? Since when did Arabs become gazan or Palestinian citizens or did you mean the Arab colonists? Surely Arabs are indigenous to Arabia?

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Dan Nelson's avatar

Please don’t let your white privilege show through. I’m sure you don’t want to be seen as an ethnic supremacist.

Arabs are indigenous to many places. Just as you are indigenous to the U.K. and I’m indigenous to the U.S. Everyone has their birthright countries and lands and we are fortunate to be secure in ours. For Palestinian Arabs, whether Christians or Muslims they have “no other land” than Palestine. They aren’t leaving for somewhere else so don’t comfort yourself with that fantasy as the out for Israel.

It was never “a land without people for a people without land” no matter what the lady from Milwaukee said.

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Chrissy Knott's avatar

What’s white privilege? Another label to pile onto working class people? People who struggle to make ends meet? Who live in council houses because they can’t afford their own? People who go without to make sure their kids get enough to eat and buy 2 nd hand clothes? Where our young girls are gang raped by foreigners because they’re white? The normal average working class people, which is the majority by the way, explain how they’re privileged?

There is no such thing as white privilege! It’s another label people like to put on those different from themselves.

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Dan Nelson's avatar

You offer an almost perfect example of white privilege when you say that you, a citizen of your birthright nation, the United Kingdom, plan to move to the illegally occupied territories of the West Bank and as a white European foreigner instantaneously enjoy infinitely more rights than the people who have lived there for 100+ uninterrupted generations. If that’s not white privilege, I don’t know what is. Thank you for the chance to dialogue on this.

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Chrissy Knott's avatar

Except we plan to visit not live there that was your assumption and I tagged you along. I am white, English/Scot heritage. My father fought in the war. My mother caught polio as a child. My parents were hard working people who eased their kids in the post war poverty of the UK. There is not and never has been white privilege.

As for your assumption that the settlements are illegal, that is also a lie. Judea and Samaria are disputed lands until there is an agreement with the PA on borders. There is no agreement only terror from that direction.

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Dan Nelson's avatar

Odd that you’d be so insulting in criticizing a big majority in a foreign country. What’s it to you? I can only assume that you’re a Jew-hating virulent antisemite.

I have little doubt that you are writing this from the safety of your couch here in the U.S. As an American you have no direct interest in the matter and if your children are of the proper age I’m also sure that they’ll do the right thing and enlist in the American military to defend the interests of our mutual birthright country, leaving foreign countries to defend themselves.

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Chrissy Knott's avatar

Not American and I’m a very frustrated Zionist. I wish with all my heart for Israel to defeat Hamas but I also know the cost could be the hostages. But maybe, there will be no more war and no more hostages and dead young soldiers to mourn, if Israel defeats the terrorists of hamas, once and for all

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Chrissy Knott's avatar

Then the 68% of Jews in Israel are idiots. They want the hostages back? ,fine get them back. Leave Hamas to rebuild, they will have won the war. Israel will be a kitten, weak and sick and will be ripe for another 1967 and maybe God will throw His hands up in the air and say, “they still aren’t ready for the state, maybe they need another 2,000 years to grow up in”

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Larry935613's avatar

In your dreams jerk off

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Abbas Abdulmalik's avatar

“They must be destroyed utterly and they must be destroyed now!”

I agree. But the enemy is Zionism, Jewish supremacism, ChosenPeople-ism. and the Israeli state.

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Uri Kurlianchik's avatar

Replies like this only prove that a ceasefire is pointless. This war must end with a definitive result or it's only a pause before a bloodier conflict.

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Velociraver's avatar

Peace is pointless because of a desire to rid the world of a racist death cult? You confuse Judaism with Zionism, educate yourself.

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Larry935613's avatar

The Israeli state is going to be there forever. But you won’t be goat fucker animal

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Velociraver's avatar

It will fold like a house of cards without US support (already fading), and Iran can irradiate Israel any day of the week if provoked.

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Larry935613's avatar

Go back to jerking off in your basement prick.

Or got to Gaza and fight the Hews you hate. But of course you sissy wound do that because they’d blow your fucking brains out

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Velociraver's avatar

I don't hate Jews, goof 🙄 I hate nazis, and zionists, and if you're too inbred-stoopid to grasp the difference, then that's on your parents.

https://open.substack.com/pub/sobiaquazi/p/they-walk-among-us-the-death-cult?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=1pungh

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Larry935613's avatar

First of all, the only thing you know about anything military was probably learned in a video game.

Second, if the Israeli military is so inept , why are your heroes only parading around in the green uniforms when no one is shooting at them, and why is their entire leadership chasing virgins.

So don’t flatter yourself. You’re a fucking moron .

So go hate Zionists in Gaza and see how inept Israeli military is when you get a round between your eyes .

And moron, I’ve been in US military and could put one between your eyes too

Now get list

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Velociraver's avatar

Have a look at how "brave" the IOF is when someone actually shoots at them instead of throwing a rock 🤣

https://substack.com/@storysstories/note/c-111368816?r=1pungh

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Scott ROTHSTEIN's avatar

😂🤡

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Liz Wagner's avatar

22 Arab states, 400 million Arabs on tens-of-millions of square miles of territory, still claiming

that 7 million Jews, together with 2 million Arabs and others on less than 9,000 square miles of territory, are “oppressing” the Arab nations. That the Jews, and not the Arabs and Muslims trying to kill us for 100 years for the crime of resurrecting our homeland in a sliver of Middle East territory, are the supremacists. Think again.

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Michelle Ann Daniels's avatar

“American bombings killed American prisoners. The atom bomb killed American prisoners. This was painful, but America pushed on. The American people understood that this was the price they were paying to secure the future of their nation.”

I understand your point, but the problem is that Israel is not America. There is a deep connection between one Jew and another - one Israeli and another. There are so few of us that sacrificing even one of us is felt just as deeply as if it were a family member. Unfortunately, we are in a no-win situation.

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Josh's avatar

Well said. You can't fight a half-war and evil has to be eradicated.

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Edward Nathan Schwarz's avatar

You are the idiot going to cause pogroms against the Jews for Israel's horrific crimes. May all your synagogues be decimated throughout the world as you decimated my synagogue.

You aren't Jews.

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Uri Kurlianchik's avatar

Yes, as we all know, the historical cause of pogroms was Israel's foreign policy...

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Edward Nathan Schwarz's avatar

for the pogroms and attacks of today - yes it is of Israel’s and Jews own making. They are as Norman Finklestein, a Jew, says - they are Jewish supremacists. Same as to say they are Nazis.

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Velociraver's avatar

International law states that Israel is the Occupying Power, and that the Gazans are the Occupied People. International law states that the Occupied have a RIGHT to resist oppression, the Occupier does NOT have any "right" to defence against the Occupied.

If you imagine otherwise, then you must also believe that the Jewish resistance of the Warsaw Gherto uprising were terrorists with no right to defence against the Nazi occupiers 🤔

If Israel is a "democracy", then it must follow the rule of law, and it must allow full voting rights to ALL within it's borders. If it does not, then it is an apartheid, Jewish-supremacist ethnostate, and rightfully shunned by the world as was South Africa. If Israel does not wish to be a pariah state, then it can allow the Palestinians a state of their own within the borders agreed under international law, and withdraw from it's settlements in Palestine.

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Uri Kurlianchik's avatar

International law is on life support and the Western right is about to pull the plug.

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Velociraver's avatar

That bodies poorly for Ukraine then, because if international law is pronounced "dead", Russia will take off the gloves.

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Velociraver's avatar

Remember, with the attack on Nevatim airbase, Iran demonstrated that it can bypass Israel's Iron Dome, David's Sling, Arrow and Patriot defences any day of the week to drop hypersonic missiles on Dimona. Iran doesn't need nukes to irradiate Israel for centuries, so tread carefully 🤔

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Alan, aka DudeInMinnetonka's avatar

A Kahanist White House 😁

A Chelmian cholent of erev rav, Islamic deflectionists delusional leftists, frustrated thwarted Zionists, stifled judicial reformers and smug self-serving kaplanistas 🤦🤦

Moshe Feiglin doesn't get enough traction and unaware of the nuance that causes observant folks to dismiss him because he wants to legalize plants that are already being consumed but consumers are being punished for consuming it by the system that they pay for to provide security for the nation and basic services

Resume the flooding, continue trebuchet research, ignore the supreme courts rants forevermore and get on with making greater Israel again, that phrase could be embraced just to trigger those who are easily triggered by Jews, Israel and Zionism and truth.

qataristinians 👌 needs to be stated more, folks are pushing Egypt and Jordan and they need to be across oceans and the Sinai border with a newfound population of Gaza evil would be a horrible solution.

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Alan, aka DudeInMinnetonka's avatar

It's showing four total comments but only seeing mine and saw zero before commenting 🤷

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